PCOS: Thyroid Disease & Histamine Intolerance w/ Dr. Becky Campbell!

Many women with PCOS struggle with thyroid issues which can lead to symptoms like fatigue, weight gain, anxiety, sleep, and so much more! But don’t worry, we got you covered with this episode!

Dr. Becky Campbell joins us to give you some actionable steps you can take today!

What is a histamine intolerance? We dive deep into histamine intolerances and how it can relate to women with PCOS!

Topics include thyroid disease, histamine intolerances, hormone health, stress, mindset, and more!

Dr. Becky Campbell is a board certified doctor of natural medicine and has made it her mission to help patients all around the world with her virtual practice. She specializes in Histamine Intolerance, Thyroid disease & Autoimmune disease, and hopes to help others regain their life as functional medicine helped regain hers! For more tools & resources including thyroid & histamine guides, head over to www.drbeckycampbell.com, her podcast The Health Babes Podcast, and one of her many books, The 30-Day Thyroid Reset Plan! You can follow her on Instagram (@drbeckycampbell)!

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Thyroid Disease & Histamine Intolerance

It’s no secret that our hormones affect our health in almost every way. When our hormones are out of wack, our body as a whole can be dysregulated, triggering more hormone-related complications. That’s why Sirak and I often talk about how if you have PCOS, you could easily have other hormonal or autoimmune conditions like Hasimoto’s, hyperthyroidism, Lupus, and more. 

Histamine And Thyroid For PCOS

PCOS and Thyroid Disease

One of the main types of PCOS is “thyroid PCOS.” This is when your low thyroid hormone levels (hypothyroidism) worsen your PCOS sex hormone imbalances and vice versa. They ping pong back and forth, impacting your metabolism, reproductive health, digestive system, and more. Additionally, estrogen dominance (common in PCOS) can prevent your body from producing active thyroid hormones (T3) and even trigger your immune system to attack the thyroid, which leads to hypothyroidism. 

Symptoms of Hypothyroidism
  • Fatigue
  • Body Aches
  • Weight Gain
  • Dry Skin
  • Feeling Cold
  • Muscle Weakness
  • Constipation
  • Depression
  • Irregular Periods
Natural Treatment Plan Options for Hypothyroidism and PCOS
Cut inflammatory foods. 

Dr. Becky Campbell and I both recommend you try cutting inflammatory foods from your diet if you have PCOS and/or hypothyroidism. Gluten specifically can be problematic for some people with hypothyroidism, because your body can mistake gluten for the thyroid and actually prompt the immune system to attack your thyroid. This, of course, worsens your symptoms and condition! 

Other potentially triggering inflammatory foods could be diary, processed foods, sugar, trans fats, vegetable oils, refined carbs, and alcohol. Try cutting out one at a time and track how you feel. 

Be cautious of household products and cosmetics. 

Because estrogen dominance is a big concern with both hypothyroidism and PCOS, be mindful of your household products and cosmetics. Many can actually have a hormone-disrupting effect and cause the production of excess estrogen. Here’s more on how to avoid hormone-disrupting chemicals in products. Buy smarter and remember that it’s not just about what we eat, but about what’s absorbed through our skin as well! 

Reduce stress. 

Estrogen isn’t the only hormone that has a negative effect on thyroid function. Cortisol levels (AKA stress hormone levels) can cause an increase in hypothyroidism symptoms (and PCOS symptoms) as well. When you’re stressed, your thyroid thinks you must be responding to serious external factors, so to protect you from danger, it tells your body to retain fat and stops producing active T3 thyroid hormones. This causes weight gain, fatigue, brain fog, and more!

Reduce stress in your life to lower those high levels of cortisol. You can do this by practicing self-care, learning regulating techniques, cutting caffeine, getting out in nature, and doing things you love. As your stress levels go down, you’ll probably see a big improvement in common symptoms. 

Do low-impact exercises. 

We all know exercise is good for us! However, not all types of exercises are good for a body with hormonal imbalance. Fast-paced, intense workouts can throw your heart rate through the roof and take your cortisol levels with it. Like me or Dr. Becky Campbell, you could find yourself working out or kickbox 2 hours a day 6 days a week and STILL be gaining weight and experiencing worsening symptoms. 

This is because it’s not the right exercise for you. Instead, we recommend low-impact exercises like yoga, swimming, walking, pilates, or light cardio. These types of exercise can help with weight loss, hormone balance, and, ultimately, symptom relief! 

Take the right supplements. 

The right nutrients to support our body goes a long way. Talk to your doctor before starting anything new, but some of the best supplements for hypothyroidism are B vitamins, certain strains of probiotics, selenium, and zinc. You can find all of these vitamins and minerals in the MetaMulti from Ovafi. For the probiotics, Dr. Becky Campbell suggests talking to your doctor about MegaSpore

PCOS and Histamine Intolerance 

So, that’s how PCOS and hypothyroidism are related—but what about histamine intolerance? Histamine is a built-in immune system mechanism that activates when a pathogen is detected in the body. It dilates the blood vessels and causes acute inflammation to active your immune system and kill the pathogen. It also plays a role in your gut health, helping your brain communicate with your digestive system. 

It’s important for the body, but people with histamine intolerance can’t break down the chemical because of a lack of what’s called DAO enzymes. The excess histamine gets to all your receptors and causes lots of hormone problems. It correlated with PCOS and hypothyroidism because of the sex hormone effect on histamine release. The more histamine you have, the more estrogen your body produces, which means you’ll have low progesterone, and your body won’t be triggered to create DAO enzymes. And, low DAO enzymes leads us back to the original problem of high histamine. Again, it’s a cycle of hormonal challenges! 

Symptoms of Histamine Intolerance
  • Headaches or Migraines
  • Irritated Skin 
  • Hive and Rashes
  • Running or Congested Nose
  • Sneezing or Watery Eyes
  • GI Issues 
  • Fatigue
  • Anxiety
Natural Treatment Plan Options for Histamine Intolerance and PCOS
Reduce histamine foods and then build a tolerance. 

Histamine can actually be found in foods—foods that are good for you too! However, when our histamine levels are already high, it’s best to avoid these foods until you get your condition more under control. Once you do, definitely start adding some healthy histamine-rich foods back into your diet as your body shows it can tolerate them. Here are some big ones:

  • Fermented Foods
  • Aged Meats and Cheese
  • Citrus Fruits
  • Strawberries
  • Coffee
  • Chocolate
  • Green Tea
Support the liver. 

The liver is chiefly responsible for detox! It flushes out excess hormones and chemicals like histamine from the body. So, by optimizing liver function, you can potentially see relief from your histamine intolerance. FYI, this can help big time with your PCOS hormone imbalances as well! Here are some gentle ways Dr. Becky Campbell suggested you detox your liver: 

  • Epsom Salt Baths: Start with a ½ cup and move up to 3 cups if your body handles it. 
  • Dry Brushing: Use a dry brush before the bath to help your skin support detox. 
  • Castor Oil Packs: Use a DIY castor oil pack and heating pad on your liver.
  • Infrared Sauna: Spend up to 45 minutes in an infrared sauna. 
  • Liver Love Supplement: This is a specially made supplement for people with histamine intolerance and hypothyroidism! 

*If you have skin conditions like eczema, avoid using heat with your liver detox plan.  

Manage your gut health.

Excess bacteria in your gut can increase the amounts of histamine produced by the body. So, focus on improving your gut health! This can bring you relief from both your PCOS and histamine intolerance symptoms. An anti-inflammatory balanced diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables can help. You may also find relief from certain strains of non-histamine forming probiotics like what’s included in MegaSpore.

Dr. Becky Campbell

Dr. Becky Campbell knows a thing or two about thyroid disease and histamine intolerance! Not only is she a board certified doctor of natural medicine (DNM), but she also has hypothyroidism, histamine intolerance, and mast cella activation syndrome, and Hashimoto’s herself. Like me, she took charge of her own healing journey and was able to have life-changing symptom reversal using natural treatments! 

Inspired by her own healing process, Dr. Becky Campbell established her own practice where she helps people overcome their hormonal conditions like Hashimoto’s, hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, histamine intolerance, PCOS, and more. She also has several books, helpful courses, her own blog, and a supplement line.

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Full Episode transcript:

Hello everyone. And welcome to another episode of a Cyster and her Mister today, we have Dr. Becky Campbell. She is a board certified doctor of natural medicine who was initially introduced to functional medicine as a patient. She struggled with many of the issues her patients struggle with today, and she has made it her mission to help patients all around the world with her virtual practice.

Dr. Becky Campbell is a founder of Dr. Becky campbell.com. The host of the health paper podcast, and author of several books, including the 30 day thyroid reset plan. She specializes in histamine intolerance, thyroid disease, and auto immune disease and hopes to help others regain their life as a functional medicine, helped her regain hers. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today,

doctor, Thanks for having me. I’m excited to be here. Thank you. Excited to have you as well. And based on the books you have written and your background, do you have a specialty when it comes to patients with thyroid issues? You know, I had, I have Hashimoto’s so I tend to attract a lot of Hashimoto’s patients, you know,

and then histamine intolerance has also been something that I, I started talking about thyroid first, you know, I’m working with most with her, but then I really wanted people to know about histamine intolerance because it wasn’t being talked about and it’s really affecting a lot of people. So those are kind of the two things I specialize in. But, you know,

with functional medicine, you work with everything. I have a lot of PCLs patients and it all kind of ties together somehow. So I can imagine do a lot of your PCs patients have histamine intolerance. They do. Yeah. A lot of them do either have histamine intolerance or thyroid disease or both. So, you know, they can kind of have just,

you know, hormone imbalance leads to so many different issues, you know, and it kind of, it leads you down so many different roads of, I guess, diagnosis that you can get. But yeah, a lot of them have a whole slew of things going on that are being driven by their hormone hormone imbalance. Yeah. Before we deep dive into that,

do you want to tell us a little bit about your health journey? Yeah, so I, I can say, you know, I’ve never felt great as a kid. I know I was a little different than other kids. Like I would get migraine headaches and I would pass out in the heat, which was odd, but it wasn’t, you know,

that big of a deal, you know, no one really, we didn’t really think anything of it. I mean, I lived a pretty normal life. And then when I was in college and I was, you know, under a lot of stress because of the hours of medical school, I started to get, you know, hair like really bad hair loss.

I gained a lot of weight, which I had always been thin. I mean, never really had to worry about that. And I was extremely fatigued and really bad brain fog and just knew something was off. So I went to, you know, all different types of doctors, which I’ll kind of never had a solution. I mean, everyone was like your,

your blood work’s fine. So you’re fine. And then I found a place that was, it wasn’t really called functional medicine back then. It was just like holistic medicine. And they, they did a really thorough thyroid panel and they found out that I had hypothyroidism cause they used different lab ranges. You know, the lab brain does, the use are so wide and they’re ridiculous.

And so this is why it goes undiagnosed for so many people. And then they checked my gut health. They checked my hormones, they checked my cortisol, they changed my diet and I felt a lot better. I mean a lot better. I lost weight almost immediately. I, you know, the brain fog went away. Most of my symptoms went away.

There were some lingering symptoms that I didn’t know at the time or histamine intolerance, mass cell activation syndrome. But overall I still felt a lot better because a lot of the underlying things that cause thyroid disease can also cause histamine issues. So I was kind of working on my histamine unknowingly, you know, so, but then I was, then I, you know,

started noticing certain foods, made me have migraines or weird, just weird symptoms, like very strong fatigue after I ate. And that’s when I kind of learned about histamine tolerance and mast cell activation syndrome and then went through that whole journey. And so that’s kind of why, you know, I, this is what I talk about all the time, because people don’t know about it and people are suffering,

so people are suffering And it’s very unsettling. How you mentioned like conventional medicine, the library inches can be so wide where you can be misdiagnosed for years, but I’m so glad you specified the functional ranges where it can really make it more specific ranges, help more people and finding what’s wrong. Yeah. Can you Elaborate on that? I feel like our audience is maybe new to learning about functional range.

Yeah. So, and I can actually give you guys a download for everybody. It’s an amazing PDF. I worked super hard on because I wanted people to understand the thyroid. You know, people are like, okay, they’re like, here’s your thyroid labs. And there’s usually two markers on there and they don’t even know what they mean. So what I’ll give you your audience,

it’s it breaks down every single thing you need to ask your doctor to test you for and what each range should be. And then what each thing means, like what is TSH? What is T3? What is who? So it really breaks everything down. So I’ll kind of give you a short version of that. So we have, you know, thyroid stimulating hormone.

So basically when our thyroid is not producing a thyroid hormone, arbitrary clan sends out the stimulating hormone to our thyroid and it says, Hey, you need to make more. Or the opposite for hyperthyroid is if you’re making too much, it says you need to make less. So when you’re looking at your labs and you look at TSH, the number, if it’s too high,

it means your body’s trying to tell your thyroid, make more thyroid hormone. And if it’s too low and saying, stop making so much thyroid hormone too high as hypothyroidism, too low as hyperthyroidism. So then our body predominantly makes T4 or thyroid does. And that T4 needs to be turned into T3 to be used in the body. So we really want to look at T3.

And for some reason, most doctors don’t even test T3, but it’s the most usable form of thyroid hormone, especially free T3, which means it’s Unbound to a protein and it’s usable in the body. I like to see that number between a three and a four, you know, that’s kind of optimal the, the lad. I don’t even know what the conventional lab range is.

I have it in the handout that I’ll give you guys, but it’s, it’s very, very, very wide. And the TSH is ridiculously wide. I mean, it’s like, I think it goes out to 4.5 before they even consider, you know, having a thyroid issue. And I don’t like to see it over two or 2.5. So that’s kind of the rundown of what happens with your thyroid.

And so really I like to see TSH between, you know, like a one and a two pushing a 2.5 T4 free. Cause you know, free is really the, the most important part between a one and a two and T3 between a three and a four. And then there’s also a reverse T3. So we have two pathways with T3. So of T3 is we call T3 free the gas and T I’m a reverse,

T3 the brakes. So if you’re, if you really need to slow down and you’re running your body ragged and you need to get tired in order to do that, you’re going to go down the reverse T3 pathway. So then your T reverse T3 is going to be high. I don’t like to see it over a, around a 12, but some people have,

you know, 1920, you know, and then you can tell on their, like, they’re always fatigued and I’m like, that’s because your body is telling you to rest. Those are kind of the markers that people don’t really look at. And then there’s the antibodies. So we have thyroid peroxidase antibodies, which is the most common diagnosis tool for Hashimoto’s syndrome.

And then there’s thyroglobulin antibodies too. So I look at both and a lot of people will have one or the other, or both, most people with Hashimoto’s will have just the, the TPO and maybe both of those antibodies. But then there’s also about 20% of people who don’t have either of those antibodies. I’m one of those people. So my Hashimoto’s went undetected for a long time and it wasn’t until I got a,

an ultrasound on my thyroid that we could see it and you can see it. It’s like lumpy bumpy. That’s what it looks like. It’s like peaks and valleys. So sometimes you can’t tell on blood work, but most of the time you can. So those are, you know, in the list I give you guys, you’ll see what you should be asking your doctor.

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Since many women would peace, just do struggle with the thyroid. It’s like one of the four types that we talk about. Yes. Yeah. And I grabbed my bug, but so this is the first book I wrote. So this is my 30 day thyroid reset plan, which is I love thanks. And what I tried to do was really dig in to what,

not only what it, what is the fibroid, what does the thyroid do and why is it so important, but what causes thyroid disease? Like what are these underlying factors? You know, and there’s a lot of them. And then, and there in functional medicine, there are the underlying causes of a lot of different things. So there’s a lot of overlap.

And then I, you know, I wanted to give a plan for people to know, like, how do you, do you heal your thyroid with food? Like, you know, really it’s, it’s important taking it out, anti or taking out inflammatory foods. You know, that’s really important. Gluten is extremely important if you have a thyroid issue because your body mistakes are thyroid gland for the gluten in your body,

attacks your thyroid. When you eat gluten a lot of the time and people don’t really understand how serious that is, but it actually really matters. So I kind of just go through a whole food plan. I give, you know, I talk about makeup. I mean, you know, you guys, I’m sure talking about estrogen dominance a lot, having a PC as,

you know, a specialty and makeup is and our house hold cleaning products and all that stuff plays such a huge role in what happens with our hormones. And you know, the more estrogen you have, the more present your thyroid is to your immune system. So your body actually attacks your thyroid more. The more estrogen that you have. So, you know,

there’s just a lot. And then with estrogen dominance, there’s PCO S with a lot of people there’s, and then it drives histamine with a lot of people and histamine and the thyroid drive each other. So there’s just so much overlap. So with both of my books, I really tried to explain what everything is, explain in detail, what you should be eating for each thing.

And I try to focus on what you should eat, not, you know, make you feel like you’re not able to eat a bunch of stuff. And then just kind of tell you all the other natural things you could do to, to help your body, you know, reducing stress is really important. It’s so important with everything, including PCLs, you know,

if you’re walking around stress all the time, you’re, you’re definitely not going to have good hormone balance. So, you know, I kind of dig into all that and, and, and all of my bucks. And do you have like recommendations on exercise to deal with the stress and different factors with the thyroid? Yeah, so I, I think that our body is really good at telling us what it likes with exercise.

So an example is I used to go to orange theory when I was not completely well, and I would have to sit in my car for 30 minutes before I could even drive away. So obviously my body was like this isn’t right? Yeah. So your bike, you should feel good after you exercise. I mean maybe, or you push yourself and you’re like,

woo. You know, you feel a little winded or something, but you shouldn’t be dizzy. And to sit down and not able to drive or whatever. So our body is very, very good at telling us what it likes and our body changes that through time. So sometimes you can do more aggressive exercise. It depends on where you are with everything.

And sometimes you have to be really gentle you to do yoga and Pilates and walking, and swimming, whatever it is. And that’s okay. But I always believe you should be moving. I don’t think that you should ever stop moving. I just think you need to listen to your body to find out what the right type of movement is for you at the time.

Yeah, Absolutely agree. Absolutely agree. Especially when a lot of women with PSUs, like they really told to work out super hard and like just focus on burning calories and trying to eat less and all this, they do the workouts and they wake up the next day feeling like very fatigued, like, you know, headaches, just basically not able to get out of the bed.

And it’s just like all these issues, like it’s creating a cycle And your cortisol goes higher when you work out. And so with PCLs, one of the biggest issues is weight gain, right? And so cortisol makes you gain weight. And so if you’re pushing your cortisol too high, and you’re doing what your trainer who’s completely uneducated in, this is telling you to do because they think you’re going to burn more fat.

You’re actually going to mess up your hormones even more, and you’re going to gain more weight. And that actually happened to me when I was going through, when I first realized I had a thyroid issue, I was working out six days a week, two hours a day, and you know, running six and a half miles a day and I was gaining weight.

And I’m like, why on earth am I gaining weight? And it was because my cortisol was too high. And I was pushing my cortisol higher by, by training so hard. Oh my gosh. Research has shown that high levels of cortisol can lead to weight gain, especially in the, in the midsection. So research is showing that, and it makes sense too,

when you think about it, you know, if the body is under a lot of stress, if it thinks that there’s a lot of, you know, stressful environmental factors, it’s going to want to retain weight because it’s trying to survive. It’s like a surviving mechanism. Why would it to lose weight in that, in that situation? So, yeah,

That was definitely me too, when I was doing kickboxing, trying to lose weight with PCLs and it was just making me have more anxiety and gain more weight. Yeah. Because their cortisol is probably through the roof. Yeah. He was so high and your exercise is supposed to reduce anxiety, but too much at the wrong time, it’s going to mess you up.

It’s and people really don’t understand that people also get addicted to the exercise. So for example, they get addicted to that adrenaline rush of, you know, running or kickboxing. And they don’t believe that, like, they don’t feel good because afterwards you don’t feel good maybe during We’re also all led to believe like you have to sweat, you have to like be out of breath.

Your heart has to be pounding in order to actually lose weight and exercise through your best is not really the case. Like you can still lift lightweights in a controlled fashion. You can still do like a steady jog instead of sprinting. There’s all these like factors we can change. And it’s the thing is it’s like thinking more about long-term results instead of short-term results.

That’s where, like, I think a lot of like, you know, trainers, especially like online, they’ll tell you, you do this, you do that. You’ll lose weight in two weeks, but that’s like really not a, you know, a long-term goal. It’s more like a short-term things that make it harder for people to actually succeed. Yeah.

Well, that’s like The biggest loser. I mean, I don’t, I don’t think any of the people on that show have maintained their weight loss because they were under such intense diet and exercise protocols had such a short amount of time. It completely ruin their bodies. And they’ve, they’ve dived watched documentaries on the people on that show. And they’ve, that’s what they’ve all said.

And they, they have, they can’t lose weight anymore. So, and that’s the that’s, the problem is hard. You know, there is no cookie cutter approach and everyone’s different. So some people do do really well with high intensity, but a lot of people don’t and you know, I’m one of those people who I get bored if I’m doing a slow workout,

like I, yoga is torture to me. So, you know, but I, I love to run because it’s like therapy for me mentally, but I have to know when I can run. And when I can’t, and I have to know when I have to do yoga versus running, I’m more of like a weightlifting and running type person than yoga.

But I know that if I’m, you know, in a certain place, like let’s say I’m under an enormous amount of stress, maybe like a sponge of super sets. Isn’t the best idea. Maybe I do resting in between sets and I do lighter weight and then that’s okay. And I feel good after. So that’s why I love are the built-in mechanism in our body that tells us this is not the right interest space for you at the time at all.

Exactly. Absolutely. Well, I loved how we touched on some, you know, tips to help with anyone with the high protein diet or hyperthyroid, but we also want to talk about histamine and tolerance. We receive a lot of dams about it. So can we just talk about that and how it can relate to it, women with PCOS, and to be honest,

personally, like I’m not really up to date on the histamine tolerance. I always ask Tallinn, what is that specifically? So yeah, if you could give us like a explanation of it. So let me explain histamine first, because people think has to means a bad thing. Just like they think cortisol is an estrogen and, you know, it’s just too much as something is a bad thing.

So histamine is a part of our, you know, it’s a built-in mechanism with our immune system where if we have a pathogen, you know, it’s, it dilates our blood vessels. It causes inflammation and allows our white blood cells to come in and attack that pathogen. So it’s a good thing. And then it also is involved in digestion and helps deliver messages from between our brain and our body.

So we want histamine, but what happens is a lot of people can’t break down histamine. So they’re producing this histamine, the histamine comes in to do its job. And then instead of breaking down with these enzymes that are supposed to break it down, it’s not being broken down. So then it’s getting into all the receptors, this and receptor sites for all over the body.

And then they’re getting all various symptoms. I mean, from anxiety to vertigo, to migraines, to, you know, eczema, high anxiety, fatigue, you name it. I mean, it literally, you know, oh wait, what am I not a PCO S but what am I trying to say with the, oh, I’m drawing? Oh,

I see intercessors the Citus even as is a big thing I see with it. So when it comes to KCLS, you know, specifically, so typically histamine, you know, the more histamine we produce, the more estrogen we release, right? And the more estrogen we released, usually the less progesterone we release. And then the last progesterone we release that we decrease the enzyme.

It’s called Dao. It’s the enzyme that breaks down histamine. So it’s this vicious cycle of excess estrogen lowering progesterone, decreasing that enzyme that breaks down histamine causing us to have more histamine, which is causing us to have more estrogen and over and over and over. So with people, with PCLs estrogen dominance contend to be an issue and they tend to have lower progesterone.

And so that is where the two can tie together. Wow. That was great. That’s a great explanation. So what are some of the things that we can do to reduce histamine? Number one is you want to reduce the histamine from our food because we have histamine in our body. And then we have foods that are high in histamine. So this is not something that should be a permanent lifestyle change for everybody.

But in order to first attempt to lower histamine, you want to get the high histamine foods out. So those are foods like fermented foods, because they actually produce, they have a bacteria that produces histamine in them. So that’s going to give you a lot of histamine aged foods like aged meats, aids, cheeses, believe it or not citrus fruits. And for some people they don’t bother them,

but sound like a lemon will, but a line long strawberries, bananas, chocolate coffee can be an issue. Even green tea can be an issue. You know, there, I give a whole list. I literally, in my book, I have like, yes, no, maybe list. Yeah. So I tell you, you know, start with like reduce the no foods,

see how you do, I give you different phases. And then I’m like, okay, if you’re still not feeling well, let’s start reducing the maybe foods. Cause I try to keep you eating as much as you can. But while you’re doing that, you really need to do other things. You know, liver support is, is very important in my opinion,

especially for hormone balance because the, the job of one of the very important jobs of the liver is to flush out the excess at stuff like estrogen. And if we were our liver is, is, oh, you know, overwhelmed and not functioning very well, and it’s not supported. It’s not going to do that. So you’re going to keep driving that histamine issue.

Plus people with histamine intolerance tend to not detox well, so they tend to need extra liver support. So there’s natural ways. You can do it. You can do add some salt Basque Castro packs and Fred saunas, or you can take supplements. You know, it just depends on what you prefer. The gut is huge with histamine and tolerance, you know,

gut infections cause more histamine in the body. So opportunistic bacteria, that’s the bacteria that should not be there actually produces histamine. So, you know, if you are able to, you know, in the book, I was very conscious of people that can work with the doctor and can’t, and I realized I do have a virtual practice. I work with people all over the world,

but I realized that not everybody can do it cause it’s, it’s not paid for by insurance. Most of it. So I tried to give everyone as many tools as I possibly could that they could do on their own. But if you can, you should get that testing on your gut. And if you didn’t get testing on your guy and you can heal your gut,

oh my gosh. I mean, the things that change in your life are enormous that I do. I love the Dutch test. I use that to look at cortisol and to look at the sex hormones. And then, you know, we work on different things to balance that out. So that’s really how you handle histamine intolerance. So, you know,

once you kind of have, like, we have this thing called the histamine bucket, which you can use for different scenarios, inflammation, whatever. But so with the, his same bucket, there’s, you know, got infections, nutrient deficiencies, thyroid issues, stress, all these things that fill up our bucket. So then when we go to put a food in as high in histamine,

we can’t handle it. So then we react. So what we want to do is work on that bucket. We want to empty out the bucket and then you should be able to start eating higher histamine foods again, because many high histamine foods are really have a lot of nutrition, you know, nutritional value, but you can’t, you know, for,

for a while, sometimes you can eat them and sometimes you can’t ever eat them. It really just depends on the person cause everyone really handles this differently. Yeah. And you mentioned the gut microbiome as well as, you know, avoiding fermented foods and like aged foods. Because I would think that the fermented foods would have some, you know, helpful probiotics in it.

So I guess that’s not the case. It also has other bacteria. So would you recommend to like focus only on certain probiotics, if you do have a histamine intolerance? Okay. So there’s different of probiotics and there’s there’s histamine degrading bacteria. So those are like the bifidobacterium infantis long, the lactobacillus plantarum Saccharomyces boulardii lactobacillus Ramadoss, which is a really, really good one to help degrade histamine.

Those are the ones that you want to focus on, but then there’s ones that are like the, mostly the ones that are in kind of like yogurts and fermented foods. So a lot of the other lactobacillus like lactobacillus bulgaricus routery Casey, I don’t know if I’m pronouncing. That is exactly right, but those are the strains that, and I have, you know,

posts on this, if people want more information, but those are the strains that tend to make you actually produce more bacteria. So those are, you know, that’s why you have to even be very careful with taking probiotics. You can’t just take any probiotic when you have histamine intolerance, there’s probiotic, histamine, max from the company seeking health. I really like that one.

It’s actually just filled with the histamine degrading bacteria. So that’s what I tend to my patients on bat or the MegaSpore. I like MegaSpore also for the patients histamine issues. Okay. Okay. I love, I love when there’s like specific. Yeah. I know people are just wanting to like go and get that one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I want to go back for a second to when you were talking about liver detox and some of the things we can do cause I love what you said,

Epsom salt bats. These are great, actionable next steps for sisters with PCLs because many of us need help with our liver health because of insights making us have fatty liver or whatever it may be the liver, like you said, needs to function properly in detox, our hormones. So what are some of the things, if you want to repeat yourself that help with liver health,

I would say if you’re gonna do dry brushing is really good and that’s, you know, a specific brush to just brush your skin with. And the reason is, is because our body uses our skin to detox when our liver is congested. So we want to be able to get the, get it out. So the toxins that are trying to come out,

we want to get out. That’s how we went off to make sure we’re going to the bathroom. So we want to get, be peeing, pooping, you know, get in and have our liver pushing things out properly. So dry brushing is great. You can do that and then get into an Epsom salt bath. You know, I would start with a half of a cup of Epsom salt because some people can be very sensitive.

You can go up to about three cups, but never start at three cups. You could be really feel really awful after. So you started about a half a cup and you can slowly work your way up to as much as you want around three cups, but you don’t want to feel really like you’re getting out of the bath and you’re just like, Ugh.

Then that’s kind of a strong detox reaction. Didn’t really feel that way after it’s all back. Yeah. So you’re, you might be no idea much. Yeah. So I would lower them out and then you can work up to it and then castor oil packs there’s kits. You can get online. I have on Amazon, you know, they have like the,

the wool and they have everything you need. And what I have people do is I have them put the casserole on the wool flannel, put that right over their liver, which is the upper right side of your abdomen. And then put down like a towel so that you don’t get the apps or the Castro oil on your heating pad and then put a heating pad on.

So that helps kind of penetrate the Castro there. So that’s one thing you can do. And when I was really, really sick with mold toxicity, that was the only thing I could tolerate. That was the first thing I could ever tolerate. So that those are really good, gentle detox. You know, people who are really sensitive and they don’t do well with supplements and they don’t do well with,

you know, other stuff. These are the gentle detox you want to do. Infrared saunas are good, but if you have any skin issues and this can go for the Epsom salt baths too, you know, as far as heat goes, heat does make you produce more histamine. You know, let’s say you have bad eczema. I would not recommend an infrared sauna for you because it’s going to bring more and more histamine to the skin and it’s going to exacerbate your eczema.

So like the same with the Epsom salt bath, they’re going to want to do like a lukewarm bath, not like a hot, you know, those are like the, you know, the most common, natural ways I have a supplement it’s called liver love. I am obsessed with this supplement. I put every one of my patients on, I take it myself.

It has N-acetylcysteine and milk thistle in it, but it also has some of the healing mushrooms in it. And we’re finding these mushrooms are like amazing. So it’s a great supplement. Like even though when I time patients who can get office or like, I don’t want to think of it helps, it helps their skin. It helps them go to the bathroom better.

I mean, it helps them sleep. It helps them not be sensitive to things. They can eat more food. So whatever path you choose is up to you. I personally do the supplement because I don’t feel like sitting in a bed I’m busy, you know? But, but anyway, there there’s, there’s ways there’s ways to do it. That,

that doesn’t, that is not expensive at all. That’s amazing. I love those actionable steps. And I think that was our last question. And we don’t want to, we don’t want you to be late. I know you have to pick your daughter up. So I wish I had three boys. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I thought for some reason I thought I heard daughter,

but three boys. That’s the complete opposite. Yeah. That’s my mom too. My mom had three boys and she’s always like if I had that one daughter, but no, that’s great. Thank you so much for all this insightful info. If people want to reach you, people want to work with you virtually as well as the access to your podcast and stuff.

Could you let them know where they can find you? Yeah. So Dr. Becky campbell.com is my website. I have tons of free stuff on there. Articles. I mean about everything thyroid, everything has to mean. And other things I have my guides on there. I have my histamine guide. I have my thyroid guide on there. There, you can schedule a consultation on there.

That’s, you know, that’s kind of where everything lands. And then my podcast is called the health babes podcast. And I’m going to have you guys on there tomorrow and, and then I’m mostly active on Instagram. So just at Dr. Becky Campbell. Awesome. Awesome. We’ll put all that in the episode description and everyone stayed tuned for episode as well on the healthy beeps podcast.

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